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Arrow/CW-verse so far this season.....


Big crossover this week so here's some brief catching up reviews...

Supergirl

The good: I liked the cult of Supergirl episode, I thought that was interesting. Adrian Pasdar makes a good Morgan Edge. Finally bringing in the Legion, also good. I loved the call back to the Christopher Reeve Superman ("Everyone stand back!"), and the legacy casting of Carl Lumbly was sheer brilliance. The actresses that played young Alex and Kara in the flashback episode were really well cast.

The bad: the entire Alex/Maggie story was an absolute lead weight that kept dragging down the show. Floriana Lima was leaving the show so they had to write out Maggie somehow, but the way they went about it dragged on too long and took up too much screentime. I also wasn't a fan of sulky, broken-hearted Kara, but hat may get even worse now that Mon-El is back.

The Flash

The good: No evil speedster this season is already an improvement. The origin of the Thinker was a good episode. I'm OK with Jekyll and Hyde Caitlin/Frost. Other than that there really hasn't been that much that was memorable about this season. Hopefully it will pick up after the crossover and winter break.

The bad: I wasn't really a fan of Katee Sackhoff's villain character. Other that that nothing really stands out.

Legends of Tomorrow

The good: the show continues to be fun and there have been some interesting anachronisms. So far I really like Isis...er, I mean Zari. Damn terrorists gotta ruin a perfectly good superhero name. I didn't know how much I missed ‎Neal McDonough's scenery chewing until Damien Darhk came back, and now teamed with Grodd! Needless to say, the Themiscyra reveal was beautiful.

The bad: they need to get to the point with both the Mallus reveal as well as the resolution of the Firestorm story. With Victor Garber leaving the show I'm wondering if they'll make Jax a sole Firestorm of if they find another partner for him, maybe an alt-Earth Ronnie Raymond?

Arrow

The good: no more Oliver flashbacks. The inclusion of William hasn't been as bad as I thought it would. More Slade was good. Bruce Wayne name drop, so know we have evidence that the entire "Big 3" exists somehow in the CW-verse.

The bad: more Olicity? Yeesh. Don't know what the point of Thea in a coma was for the first half of the season. The big bad for this season seems kind of....boring?

OK, bring on Crisis on Earth X! Also, after the winter break, Legends take a little longer hiatus as Black Lightning debuts.

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Supergirl this season is going pretty good. Not spectacular, but it feels better than how Season 2 played out. I never really liked how rushed the Maggie/Alex and Kara/Mon-El relationships were (especially the latter), and the dissolution of the former was just...odd. I mean, okay, they can't agree on kids, so that's fairly believable. But then they have one last hook-up because one of them played a song.

Agreed on Lumbly, nice addition. Though, hopefully Mon-El's latest revelation will actually kick Supergirl in the ass to finally get over her. They weren't a great couple to begin with.

Flash has been about as good as the others. I'm not familiar enough with Ralph Dibney to know if this variation matches his comics counterparts in anyway (I...somehow doubt it), but his character can be a wee bit too...cliched for me. Fairly perverted duded, lost his way, stumbling his way back to the straight and narrow...but he has some good moments. Like entertaining that injured kid, or when he yells at Barry how he used to be a "good cop". Sure, he bent the rules, but his delivery of the line was good.

But then, we have Barry acting stupid. Really stupid. He decides he's going to sneak into someone's home, on suspicion he's an enemy, and he does so in a hoodie...instead of HIS SUIT WITH A FREAKING MASK! STOP BEING STUPID, BARRY!

I never picked up on Legends for Season 3. Y'know how I just pointed out how stupid Barry Allen is? The whole team is that stupid. All the time. I don't deny there've been fun moments and a couple likable characters, but...DAMN, are they stupid. A LOT.

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I haven't watched any of this season's CW shows, save for Legends. Arrow annoyed me a few seasons back, Flash being the living Idiot Ball just drove me nuts. (Seriously, like 90-95% of all their problems would go away if they actually TALKED to each other!) Supergirl drove me nuts with the previous season, after sidelining James Olsen and then shoving Mon-El at us non-stop, like we were ever going to accept him. And when I hear she went mopey this season... I was like... No. Not happening. I'll watch the crossover, and if it's improved, sure. But no.

Especially in the wake of Agents of Shield actually becoming a great show last season, and The Gifted and Legion being spectacular shows in their own right. I'm expecting better now. (If it helps, in case you're thinking I'm going with a Marvel bias here... I have still yet to watch the Punisher.)

Legends however continued to charm the hell out of me. Sporky, you mentioned that the Legends annoy you because they're stupid? That's what makes them awesome. They are beyond in competent. They are monkeys with a nuclear bomb. Going by the infamous D&D chart, these lunatics are Chaotic Good. They are the Doctor Who companions, minus the Doctor. I lost my !@#$ when in 1988, and Heatwave mugged the bullies for their candy and money. And the Legends just stood by. I love 'em!

I do plan on watching the crossover event here. But I gotta wait until it's completed, because I watch it on the CW App, which isa day late.

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Four words on 'Crisis on Earth X'.....

!@#$. ING. AWE. SOME.

Well, except for the part where I screamed at the TV when Barry let Thawne go. Barry's an idiot.

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Crisis on Earth-X Thoughts


-Interesting twist to the previous crossovers: Not only does the Supergirl installment have more to do with the overall story than last-minute setups, it plays out less like an episode each from different shows, but as a two-night special. Not unlike what they did with Superman on TV (or so I hear).

-I expected Alex and White Canary to kiss. Then they started throwing back shots, so then I expected drunken make-out. Then it became drunken one-night-stand, and...yeah, this feels very tacky. Among other things. But moving on...

-Just when they mention 52 Earths, I'm thinking to myself, I wish they'd nuke one of those realities so we wouldn't get anymore of that stupid number-recurrence thing that stopped being amusing so many years ago. Then they mention the secret Nazi Earth 53...so now I'm thinking nuke 2 realities. Three if you wanted to even it out. Also, omitting another Earth because it's so bad seems really irresponsible.

-If, as Welles suggests, there are about 50 other Supergirls, and Thawne fights Superman in the future, and Ollie has kryptonite...where are Earth-1's Super-people? Also, since when did Ollie have Krpytonite, and how does he know it'd affect Nazi-Girl?

-Why isn't Evil Kara the leader of Nazi-world? She is objectively the strongest (though that doesn't explain where Evil Clark is).

-The heroes bordered on heavy-handedness talking about how much Nazis suck. But maybe that's because I already know how much Nazis suck. Though, it further raises the question why Thawne is working with them if so many OTHER smart people realize how imbecilic their philosophy is. I mean, using them to further his own goals is one thing, but he seemed rather...committed.

-Just like when Heatwave was turned into a temporal bounty hunter, someone mentions God, and the villain says there isn't one. Just like then, this felt really out of left field and pointless.

-Great performances relating to Stein's last moments.

-Wanna know how I knew Captain Cold-X was gay? Commenting on how great the Earth-1 heroes looked in their suits.

-Too bad Wally got sidelined to protect his non-meta family. Also too bad J'onn didn't join in the final fight. Heck, I'd've liked to have seen Vibe do more.

-When "big guns" were mentioned, I kind of hoped maybe Superman would make a surprise appearance. But the budget for this probably wouldn't have allowed it. It was still a fun fight, though.

-Anyone else want Rory to sing, "Nazi's roasting on an open fire"?

-That's right, Barry, the time-traveling speedster that killed your Mom and can look like anyone now, should TOTALLY be let go and not locked in the PRISON YOU HAVE SPECIALLY DESIGNED FOR META-HUMANS!

-"Up, up, and away" was a fun addition. Though maybe I'm picky, I'm thinking it could've been delivered a little better. No offense to Tom Cavanaugh.

Overall...I liked it more than the Dominators crossover. Nicely paced, I was never bored, and though there may be a couple things I didn't like that much, it was good. And hopefully this means Kara is finally over Mon-El.

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quote:

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Also, since when did Ollie have Krpytonite, and how does he know it'd affect Nazi-Girl?

-"Up, up, and away" was a fun addition.



Yes, the Kryptonite arrow appeared with zero context which was very strange. Also, Kara immediately recognizes Metallo although the Corben of her Earth was still mostly human the last time she saw him.

Another great line was "General, would you care to step outside?", an homage to the Superman/Zod fight from Superman II.





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Huh. I missed the General reference. Okay, extra point for the crossover.

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